[oslc-core] [Oslc-Automation] Request for review of OSLC Automation specification
Pramod K Chandoria
pchandor at in.ibm.com
Mon Jun 4 02:25:31 EDT 2012
Thanks David for the answers,
My answers inlined between <pchandor></pchandor>
-|- Pramod Chandoria
From: David N Brauneis <brauneis at us.ibm.com>
To: Pramod K Chandoria/India/IBM at IBMIN
Cc: Michael F Fiedler <fiedler at us.ibm.com>,
oslc-automation at open-services.net,
oslc-automation-bounces at open-services.net, oslc-core at open-services.net,
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Date: 06/03/2012 04:53 AM
Subject: Re: [oslc-core] [Oslc-Automation] Request for review of
OSLC Automation specification
Pramod,
I have a couple of thoughts on what you have proposed, I have added them
inline in bold red.
Regards,
David
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David Brauneis
STSM, Rational Software Delivery Automation Chief Architect
email: brauneis at us.ibm.com | phone: 720-395-5659 | mobile: 919-656-0874
From: Pramod K Chandoria <pchandor at in.ibm.com>
To: Michael F Fiedler/Durham/IBM at IBMUS
Cc: oslc-automation at open-services.net, oslc-core at open-services.net,
oslc-automation-bounces at open-services.net
Date: 06/02/2012 09:37 AM
Subject: Re: [oslc-core] [Oslc-Automation] Request for review of
OSLC Automation specification
Sent by: oslc-core-bounces at open-services.net
I have few comments as mentioned below.
Automation plan: Can we just call it Automation. Do we gain any meaning
with plan. I think that the whole topic of the working group is automation
and there are many things associated with it, I like keeping it as an
automation plan and have already started to use that terminology with
customers (and it seems to resonate).
<pchandor>I have no big concern here</pchandor>
Automation plan: We don't have oslc_auto:automationType attribute. Without
this we can't distinguish whether Automation is for build, test,
deployment, cloud etc.. I think this needs to be typed. I actually do not
agree with an approach that types the automation, there are some
automation plans that might perform one or more of those different types
as a part of the workflow (think a continuous integration or continuous
delivery product - i.e., DevOps)... How would you characterize those?
Also, some automation providers will exist that can support more than one
type of automation and do not need them to be separated. What do we gain
by forcing this?
<pchandor>I think when a AutomationPlan represents a group of Automations
(like TestSuite in RQM, workflow in DevOps), it might make sense to call
them "complex" type. Consider a scenario like user is defining a workflow
in RTC, that when a build automation is completed, wants to run a Test
Automation. When user will query automation from the automation provider
(RQM), It would definitely like automation plan of 'test' type be listed
to choose from. Do we think this should be defined in service providers
name space?. I think having a type in spec will provide client hint about
what type of Automation plan it is.</pchandor>
Automaton Request: oslc_auto:state - Probably it's value can be defined by
specification, rather loosely relying on the provider. This will allows
clients to write more predictable code rather writing specific code to
each provider. I think verdict domain can be different for different
provider but state of the Automation Request can be guided by
specification across all providers. I think is needed because most
automation providers will have the concepts of queued, started, running,
paused, complete, etc.
<pchandor>Exactly you answered my question here. Probably specifying (
queued, started, running, paused, complete) states would be sufficient
here.</pchandor>
AutomationResult: oslc_auto:verdict is used for end result's verdict,
oslc_auto:state - I am not sure why this property is mandatory when
verdict is already available. In RQM there is only one field for verdict,
there is no other state for result. I am thinking this should not be
one-many but zero-many property. I thought this meant whether or not the
automation executed successfully or failed.
<pchandor>If it's meaning is only for client to determine whether it was
successful or not, then it should be of type of boolean? With type being
(anyType), what value we attain for the client. In that case client can
also determine same from the verdict.</pchandor>
Regards,
___________________________________________________________________________
-|- Pramod K Chandoria
Advisory Software Engineer
IBM Rational, India Software Lab
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From: Michael F Fiedler <fiedler at us.ibm.com>
To: oslc-automation at open-services.net, oslc-core at open-services.net
Date: 05/08/2012 07:49 PM
Subject: [Oslc-Automation] Request for review of OSLC Automation
specification
Sent by: oslc-automation-bounces at open-services.net
The Automation workgroup continues to make progress on the specification
and is working to move towards convergence with several early
implementations beginning now.
The workgroup would like to invite you to review the current draft [1] of
the specification. All comments are welcome. We would especially be
interested in feedback from Core members and Automation members who have
not been in attendance lately.
[1] - http://open-services.net/bin/view/Main/AutoSpecificationV2
Regards,
Mike
Michael Fiedler
IBM Rational Software
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