[Oslc-Automation] Thu meeting agenda
Martin P Pain
martinpain at uk.ibm.com
Wed Oct 23 06:04:16 EDT 2013
And here are the minutes from last meeting, for your review before this
week's meeting:
http://open-services.net/wiki/automation/AutomationMeetings20131017/
Attending: Umberto, Martin, Steve S, John Arwe, Mike F
* Documents
* Primer - versioning removed
* Moved to [[OSLC Automation Primer]]
* Removed version number, and this/previous/latest version links
from top
* Status line now refers to the version of the latest main spec
that it refers to, rather than its own version
* Updated old URL [[OSLC Automation Primer 2.0]] to redirect to
new page
* Timeline for PostV2
* Convergence by 1st Dec
* Finalization by 14th Jan?
* If we have enough people trying implementing it by then
* TODO: Detail who will be the first 'trial' implementors, and
determine when they can try implementing it.
* Template creation
* New section in 2.1 spec
* New oslc:usage URI for template creation dialogs
* TODO: Needs to go into vocab document when we go into
finalization
* #templateCreation should be #TemplateCreation
* "The resource MAY be temporary and the consumer SHOULD get it within
a limited time and SHOULD NOT assume that it is available after the first
time it has been requested."
* "The resource MAY not be persisted and therefore MAY not be able to
be queried. Consumers that want to be interoperable SHOULD presume that
the resource is not persisted and cannot be queried."
* CM discussion on Actions is complete, as a result of previous
discussions on Automation and CM WGs.
* Action spec can fit into CM work group - CM to decide whether to
keep things in their namespace and provide information on how to infer
Action triples, or whether to use Action triples explicitly, but nothing
more to feed back to Automation/Core on design of Actions.
* Orchestration
* Problem is tying outputs from one Plan to inputs to another.
* Green Hat has a couple of scenarios that could be used to
demonstrate this sort of problem, but we're not asking for an OSLC
solution.
* Tivoli (Workload Scheduler?) has a similar problem - requires a
manual wiring step.
* Concensus seems to be to leave on back burner until someone needs it
and would want to implement it.
* Actions
* Terminology email - Impl type vs profile
* "Profile" is casual term
* Impl type would be in core spec (possibly copied in Auto,
depends on making Auto spec readable)
* Core spec also to refer to CM's usage of Actions - so readers of
Core have existing examples to reuse or copy
* Useful to see a draft
* Depends on CM draft spec. Doesn't have a hard date.
* CM will look at Auto's example.
* Terminology email - "future actions"/"actions without context"
* Discussion about similarity between AutoRequest templates and
"future actions".
* Will continue discussion by email
* TODO: getting proposal more spec-ready
Kind regards,
Martin Pain
Software Developer - Green Hat
Rational Test Virtualization Server, Rational Test Control Panel
Open Services for Lifecycle Collaboration - Automation WG chair
Phone: +44 (0)1962 815317 | Tie-Line: 37245317
E-mail: martinpain at uk.ibm.com
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From: Martin P Pain/UK/IBM at IBMGB
To: John Arwe <johnarwe at us.ibm.com>,
Cc: oslc-automation at open-services.net, Samuel Padgett
<spadgett at us.ibm.com>, Oslc-Automation
<oslc-automation-bounces at open-services.net>
Date: 23/10/2013 10:07
Subject: Re: [Oslc-Automation] Thu meeting agenda
Sent by: "Oslc-Automation"
<oslc-automation-bounces at open-services.net>
Agenda for this week is up:
http://open-services.net/wiki/automation/AutomationMeetings20131024/
* Main agenda items:
- Specification issues
+ [[Automation Specification Version 2.0 Issues]]
* Any new?
- Implementation updates
+ Open forum for implementers to provide updates
+ Summarize any new [implementation reports](
http://open-services.net/wiki/automation/OSLC-Automation-Implementation-Reports-2.0/
)
- Review [17 oct minutes](
http://open-services.net/wiki/automation/AutomationMeetings20131017/)
- Action from last meting:
* Timeline for PostV2 - TODO: Detail who will be the first 'trial'
implementors, and determine when they can try implementing it.
* New oslc:usage URI for template creation dialogs - TODO:
#templateCreation should be #TemplateCreation
* Actions - TODO: getting proposal more spec-ready
- Automation V.next (Post-V2)
+ [[Automation Scenarios V3]] status
- Nothing to discuss on: [[Automation Template Scenarios]]
done, apart from action above. [[Temporary deployment scenarios]] being
covered by "Actions" work.
- [Orchestration Scenarios](
http://open-services.net/wiki/automation/Automation-Workflow-Scenarios).
* Do we want to include the write-up previously discussed
despite not addressing the problem tying output values to input values?
+ "Actions" work in Core: [
http://open-services.net/wiki/core/Exposing-arbitrary-actions-on-RDF-resources/
](
http://open-services.net/wiki/core/Exposing-arbitrary-actions-on-RDF-resources/
). "While I'm not entirely done, there are some questions from Martin's
draft that we might be able to close on (response incorporated into this
draft for at least one, see largest read block). Blue is a temporary
decoration for recently drafted normative text, in case anyone wonders.
There is a draft of the first profiles there now, for both Automation and
CM."
+ New work - John A.
- Workgroup business
+ Next meeting: 31st October at 11AM Eastern US
Kind regards,
Martin Pain
Software Developer - Green Hat
Rational Test Virtualization Server, Rational Test Control Panel
Open Services for Lifecycle Collaboration - Automation WG chair
Phone: +44 (0)1962 815317 | Tie-Line: 37245317
E-mail: martinpain at uk.ibm.com
Find me on: and within IBM on:
IBM United Kingdom Limited
Registered in England and Wales with number 741598
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hants. PO6 3AU
From: John Arwe <johnarwe at us.ibm.com>
To: oslc-automation at open-services.net,
Cc: Samuel Padgett <spadgett at us.ibm.com>
Date: 22/10/2013 16:45
Subject: [Oslc-Automation] Thu meeting agenda
Sent by: "Oslc-Automation"
<oslc-automation-bounces at open-services.net>
I am continuing to refine the draft of the Core content at
http://open-services.net/wiki/core/Exposing-arbitrary-actions-on-RDF-resources/
While I'm not entirely done, there are some questions from Martin's draft
that we might be able to close on (response incorporated into this draft
for at least one, see largest read block). Blue is a temporary decoration
for recently drafted normative text, in case anyone wonders. There is a
draft of the first profiles there now, for both Automation and CM.
I would like an agenda slot too to discuss some potential new work. I
don't think it belongs "in" the Automation spec necessarily, but it's
reasonably well aligned with a broader definition of automation so it
might be appropriate for the WG. It might be a logical follow-on to the
in-flight work. I suspect 10 minutes will be enough, there is nothing
written about it at this point.
Best Regards, John
Voice US 845-435-9470 BluePages
Tivoli OSLC Lead - Show me the Scenario
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